Scribe, The Mystic!!??

One of the disturbing elements in Christendom today is the propensity for a form of practical philosophical naturalism as a knee-jerk reaction to the ludicrous Charismatic mystical excesses that substitute rationale with subjective, whimsical careening. In light of the excesses of neo-montanism, many a Christians have been forced to “choose” sides”.  In light of this, all mysticism has been viewed in a negative light. I would readily admit that there is a dark-side to mysticism (Mormonism, Word/Faith heresy, etc, etc), but we must also concomitantly acquiesce to the reality that Christianity is a religion with mystical elements prevalent in it. 

My brother in Christ, St. Loder with regards to the subject at hand: 

“If one desires to walk with Christ they must understand that the walk is a mystical walk. Before you roll your eyes, I will suggest that you never read Tozer (or for that matter, Jonathan Edwards). Tozer was one of the biggest supporters of the mystics. He once told Lloyd Jones, the Doctor, that they both arrived at the same spiritual place. Lloyd Jones, a sound and staunch calvinist by the Puritans and Tozer, and “the 20th Century Prophet” by the mystics. God is not bound by those He sovereignly chooses to use!!! Again, if you desire to walk with Christ you must walk on the mystical side. One must understand that to commune with Christ is to commune with the First Mystery. To commune with Christ you must sit silently at His blessed feet and hear Him to know that He is God. That is a positive statement. However, to grasp that statement one must look at the negative aspect (this is a sound rule for interpretation). If you do not sit silently at His blessed feet you shall not know (at your core) that Christ is God Almighty”. 

So, has Scribe become a mystic? I’ve been one since I’ve been saved, and I would submit that if you are truly a Christian and devote yourself to worship, prayer etc ,etc you are indeed mystical to some extent. If I were an atheist, agnostic, empiricist, verificationist, I would most certainly view most Christian activity as mystical. They (Christians from an unbeliever’s standpoint) pray to a God they do not see, and expect results. They believe in a Man who Atoned for their sin who died, was buried, and rose on the third day, going to the “right hand” of a Trinitarian God (completely nonsensical-again the “natural man”) who exists in a spiritually metaphysical plane, in an ethereal heaven surrounded by a heavenly host who worship Him outside the constraints of time..  These Christian’s believe that this Christ, 2nd person of the God-head, also sent forth His Spirit to convict the world of sin, enter a repentant sinner’s being, recreate him/her with a spiritual rebirth thus making that person a new creation-preposterous!! The person still looks the same! I’ve not come to argue the unbeliever’s suppositions but merely to point out just how they may view us Christians as being mystical.  

In conclusion (not that I’ve fleshed my thoughts out) in spite of the credulous claims by some in the Charismatic movement we mustn’t succumb to forms of religious modernism-faith and reason are not in diametric opposition, in the Christian religion the twain meet and my how marvelous that convergence is! Does your heart burn when He (Christ) opens your understanding to Holy Writ?

 What are your thoughts?

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6 Responses to “Scribe, The Mystic!!??”
  1. Gordan says:

    I think, frankly, Lloyd-Jones was even more of
    a mystic than Tozer, at least in terms of practice.

    I could be wrong, but I’ve read them both and
    that’s my sense of it.

    But ultimately the question of who’s a mystic and
    who isn’t must hinge on your definition of “mystic.”

    How do you tell a mystic Christian from a non-
    mystic one?

  2. Scribe says:

    Hey Gordon…thanks for the feedback!

    Obviously there are certain(perhaps many)forms of mysticism I am staunchly opposed to. My Charismatic (I use that term in its strictest sense) brethern may say I am not mystical enough.

    What I am speaking of relates to the communal aspect of our practice with the triune God-head…I don’t believe that any Christian with an orthodox understanding of Christianity is a non-mystic…the mysticism may be divulged to the extent of their practice (though in speech they would deny such a label).

    btw…I am no continuationist inspite of what I’ve just written…

    Sorry answer is so choppy, trying to be concise as possible.

  3. Gordan says:

    I’ve been thinking about this since yesterday
    and this occurs to me.

    Maybe a Christian mystic is one who prays and
    worships as a means of lingering in the
    sense of God’s immediate presence…as opposed
    to praying to make things happen or worshipping
    out of a sense of duty, etc.

  4. Scribe says:

    Maybe a Christian mystic is one who prays and
    worships as a means of lingering in the
    sense of God’s immediate presence…as opposed
    to praying to make things happen or worshipping
    out of a sense of duty, etc.

    Perhaps…but are not both a form of mysticism? Would you consider yourself mystical?

  5. Gordan says:

    Well, we’re back to defining mysticism when you
    ask that. You seem to be working with something like

    Mysticism = the interaction with spiritual things.

    By something like that definition, then all true
    Christians are mystics in that they believe they
    can do nothing apart from a Christ they can’t see.

    I guess what’s in my mind when you say “mystic”
    is one who seems to actively pursue and revel in
    the sense that the supernatural world is right here
    with us; and I’d submit that although Christians
    all believe that, most do not go about their lives
    with a forefront-of-the-mind sort of sense of it.

    That’s my evaluation of my brethren, though, and
    could be very wrong. I know for myself that I can slip
    into being too focused on the material reality I
    experience, and have to purposefully recover, at times,
    that sense of the spiritual.

  6. Scribe says:

    Well, we’re back to defining mysticism when you
    ask that. You seem to be working with something like

    Mysticism = the interaction with spiritual things.

    Exactly, thanks Gordon! 😉 We love Him whom we’ve not seen. Again there are many elements that can be contrued as mystical by those who subscribe to forms of philosophical naturalism.

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